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Post by sh on Jan 28, 2013 4:41:04 GMT -5
Religion kept me celibate. The mistaken viewpoint that purity and abstinence was linked with godliness. Giving away your body was a sin and worse yet, it "cheapened you." You deserved something better for waiting. It was not only a higher consciousness but a higher morality, a godly code. Oh ok. So you were an idiot. That's disgusting. Excuse me while I wash your sperm off my mind. Spoken like a true capitalist merchant, Mitchell. I'm not an investor. I don't do things with the hope that I'm going to get something out of it later. So, I honestly could not tell you what the "positives" are here or what you could hope to gain. I'm really not even trying to persuade you to stay celibate. I'm just expounding my point of view. But I can tell you offhand that celibacy does not induce madness, and it does not enhance creativity afaik. But then, what exactly is creativity? Imagine that you have a robot servant that is fine-tuned to perfection in terms of the default factory settings. This robot is efficient in its work to the extreme, and it is capable of doing ANYTHING that you can imagine. The robot is your slave and all you have to do to get it to do whatever you want is think, and it obeys. Now imagine the robot fucking and masturbating all the time and wasting its energy on pointless crap, and soon enough, instead of obeying your orders, you start obeying its orders. <-- This scenario is not morally wrong, it is wrong in terms of efficiency, in terms of engineering. So, three guesses as to what this "fictional" robot refers to?
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Jan 28, 2013 17:11:22 GMT -5
No, I don't think I was an idiot. Perhaps idealistic to a fault. I think the idea of waiting for marriage is beautiful one, waiting for one person to match you. It's a bit of a fairy tale of course, and not practical today, but I do see it as a sort of physical poetry, artwork in the form of the human body. In theory, the more people you have sex with, the more of yourself you give away. So part of you is now in all of your lovers. The energy that you hoard within yourself, if you share it with others, and thus become a part of that person's life, as you make them a part of your life. By saving yourself for one person, you combine energies and probably come closer to pure love, a state of eternal happiness and sharing...perhaps even a connection that transcends time and space.
Just because something is impractical today doesn't mean it's stupid. Beauty still exists today, in poetry, song and belief.
"That's disgusting. Excuse me while I wash your sperm off my mind."
Well this is an issue where you and I differ. I don't see sexuality as disgusting. I see it as a form of beauty, an instrument of music. Semen is the life force of the male spirit. Procreative power in microscopic form. I may have been raised to have a certain fear and loathing of sex, but now as an ex-minister, hell-raiser sacrilegious prophet, I'm over it. I think if God or some great universal force invented sexuality then it proves God embraces fertility and pleasure. If evolution is responsible for sex, then I think people who are disgusted by sex are actually quite funny...they're obsessing over bodily functions, with some sort of guilt complex.
Sex is evil. I do agree with this, but Evil is an aphrodisiac.
I sort of understand what you're talking about SHH, but you have yet to explain what the positives are about closing up the system and retaining energy. I've read that celibacy invites madness, perhaps even enhances creativity.
It's not really capitalist to wonder what the positives are for an entire lifestyle change. You're saying celibacy is awesome but I don't understand where you're coming from. The only benefits I can derive from my research is that it heightens creativity (the ability to develop great ideas). Just like any drug, I think sex has the potential for benefits and for side effects. I have definitely known some virgins who were borderline insane (though they were of the Christian variety). So unhealthy celibacy could lead to a form of madness. Celibacy breeds suffering...so how does a person deal with suffering? (How does a person deal with excess energy? He either works it off in exercise or just sits there and feels stressed and anxious.
So celibacy brings suffering, one must channel that suffering into creativity and effort, or else be stuck with mental distress.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Jan 28, 2013 17:12:41 GMT -5
Your robot analogy...so we are basically talking about more or less the same thing.
Using your body or your energy to do great things with dormant sexual energy.
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Post by sh on Jan 29, 2013 1:07:23 GMT -5
lol well I'm sorry for not finding your semen very attractive, Mitch. You're right, I am a young man. And older men talking about their semen is not my idea of sexual beauty. The only way I could tell you what the positives of celibacy are is if I started dating and having sex. And if that ever happened, I probably wouldn't logon here anymore. So I couldn't tell you anyway. Mitch, I can tell you that I'm very healthy and fit. I simply do not understand depression, because depression (the opposite of mania) implies a drop in energy-level, and my life basically entails a constant vigil of the flow of energy. I believe good health and fitness is a matter of spirit. As long as I'm in good spirits, I'm young and strong, but as soon as my energy wanes, I literally age. I absolutely believe that I could fall ill and die if I let my spirit (aka energy) become distorted; or worse yet, I could become a deranged idiot like the vast majority of our dear species. (No offense. Although I sense in your tone that I've offended you a little already. I'm sorry, none of this is aimed specifically at you buddy. But if you don't see how utterly fubar people are, then why are we even debating?) If you ask me, there is no way one can "research" celibacy. You can't tell beforehand how it will affect you. As you said, the increased energy might result in compulsive obsessive thoughts about sex. Or you might find that you can do new things that you couldn't do before. It's not so much about the celibacy as about the channeling of energy. I mean of course you have to have free energy first, but celibacy is no great feat (I'm going on ~7 years now.) the real art is using that energy. I'm guessing when you say "positives" you want specifics. The specifics are the details of my daily life, and you would have to live with me to understand.
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Post by sh on Jan 29, 2013 9:03:47 GMT -5
Here's a thought. Drink a cup of ayahuasca, then watch some porn. Go for the best porn you've ever seen, ok? If you still don't think sex is gross after that, you win.
I saw two ugly beasts behaving in a really disgusting way. I felt disgusted in a way I'd never felt before. Sex is the ultimate "animal" behavior, IMO. And afaik it means absolutely nothing to anyone who is trying to transcend the ape-beast.
I really like to believe that I am better than a beast. I believe people are capable of being more than apes. If you knew what we were capable of achieving, my brother, if you knew what we are missing out on by acting like beasts, you would feel disgusted with the human condition, perhaps even more than I do.
It's really simple. We have been given a chance to become infinite, eternal...to join what's out there and flow with it forever. This is what life is; this is the meaning of life, this is the only worthwhile purpose for a man. All other achievements are meaningless in front of death, but not this one. The energy that we host inside our human shell can become a cohesive unit, it can stand without the self, it can stay intact in the face of the cosmic flux and defy being dissolved by infinity.
But what do we do? We squander our energy until all of it leaves us and we die old and tired. We defend our disgusting animal habits with pride.
I feel so sad for us...But I will not feel sorry for such a retarded bunch of buffoons. As far as I'm concerned, people can fuck themselves to death, and never even know what a chance they had.
You're asking me for the positives of celibacy? ffs, what about the positives of having sex? Animal pleasure? Is that all you care about Mitch?
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 18, 2013 13:32:44 GMT -5
" I am a young man. And older men talking about their semen is not my idea of sexual beauty." Awww That makes me sad. I was young once. Seriously, when you're a celibate religious virgin, it does warp your mind slightly. When I first released Attempted Rapture in 2004 it was filled to the corners of the page with sex, because back then I was pretty sex-obsessed. Course, now that I'm married I have a different perspective on life. Which is why I am releasing a sexless version of the book, the "Christian" edition of the book, which is basically puritanical in philosophy. I do respect young guys that resist chasing after women and trying to get laid. I do think holding back from following animal urges does build character. I wish I could find some ayahuasca, but alas, I can't. I'm not very connected with the drug world. I wish Texas would legalize pot, because I'd be okay with that.
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Post by grainnerhuad on Mar 20, 2013 15:28:26 GMT -5
Mitch, Colorado isn't very far away if you want pot. And I have a texas/colorado hookup for you. I have a certain relative that lives next door to a house rented solely to grow and all product goes to Texas...just sayin.
I found Ayahuasca is easy to find the components are all legal seperately. You can probable ask discretely at your local co-op or natural food store.
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