Artificially Suppressing Souls

[karlsie]

My daughter... bless her heart... wraps her mind around physics as though she was munching candy and can suggest a complete macro-biology diet for you in one running sentence. What she can't do is write very well, due to severe dyslexia. She is primarily a visual learner, although the dyslexia did not extend into mathematics; completely opposite of her mom.

Her inability to write well does not stop her from being a gold mine of information. After casually knocking off how Hawking's theory of gravity could be correct: "Mom, even in a vacuum, there are molecules of matter, hydrogen, oxygen and electrons. Gravity is what causes them to condense. Hydrogen creates the combustive element that caused the big bang," she then just as casually informed me, "pharmaceutical companies are suppressing souls."

I was still slowly and painstakingly mentally rifling through my table of elements, following her previous logic, so i was a little slow on the uptake. "How do you figure it" I asked, still marveling at the cellular law of becoming fruitful and multiplying.

"Well, it's like this. They are peddling all kinds of anti-depression drugs on the television these days, and it's true that people that take them no longer feel depressed. The problem is, they don't really feel anything. They aren't depressed, but they aren't happy, either. They don't get angry because they don't get disturbed. They're out there living, but their emotions are suppressed and our emotions are what make up our souls."

I've had a headache ever since.

[The Late Mitchell Warren]

Well I wonder where she gets it from?

The drug discussion is a loaded question. It's hard for me to state one way or the other what is true. But yes, generally, I agree that pharmaceutical companies are part of the problem, as in to brainwash and demoralize people.

However, should we abolish all medication? I don't think it would be a very pretty scene.

Too bag Reggie and Leon don't indulge us at the forum or on Facebook. I'm sure our discussions would be quite colorful

[sh]

I've got nothing to add 'cept your daughter is very smart.

-f

[grainnerhuad]

I agree. I think suppresing feelings, in such an easy and availble way keeps us from doing much. Feeling are our natural indicator of what should be important to us. If we are depressed we should be doing something to figure out why. If we are anxious it is probably because there is something important spiritually that we need to examine and work on. If we are manic we should work that mania out within our own individual talent set. Very often schizophrenic or schizoaffective people may be actually spirit walking/talking. If taught to focus on this productively much can be learned.

However science has no place in it for spiritual uses of the "abnormal" (abnormal not necessarily being bad)

I think science does not set out intentionally to crush the spirit, they just see things differently. Wanting to alleviate what they see as pain. But misunderstanding the importance of discomfort.

Understand I am not at all saying there is no use for medication,psychotropic or otherwise, but I think we as a culture have evolved to not want to take time to feel. It slows down productivity. People aren't working when they slow down to look within. At least not being industrially productive, they are in fact working. We just devalue spirtual gifts.


I don't think it's all pharmacutical companies either. Teachers want their classrooms easily managable, companies want less days off work, there are very few people trained in to be spirit guides. All this and more contributes to this ideal.

We are as a culture supressing souls. It takes too long to nurture one. This is something we should be worried about.

[The Late Mitchell Warren]

I dunno...sometimes I think medication is a good thing in some circumstances. I wonder how many cases of infant murder, suicide, homicide and infidelity there would be if more people stopped suppressing their "natural" urges, which could very well be anti-social.

[sh]

I really like that you used the term spirit so many times grainne!

Could you define what it means to you?

And Mitch, Do we really need drugs to get a grip over our selves? How 'bout teaching people about self-control, discipline, patience? <-- very powerful drugs!

I think it's really lame that today we have a bunch of pills you can pop for anything!

-f

[sh]

And another thing. You talk about industrial productivity..

I believe as individuals, life is our chance at evolution. Not evolution of our species but our own personal evolution.

The materialist system denies any notion of an after-life or anything beyond the material plane so fiercely that all we are left with is our crummy society.

We have no duty towards society. No. We are responsible for our selves.

We are all faced with our personal extinction. Industrial productivity is nonsense in comparison.

We are all going to die. What are we doing about it?

What if this life here is our chance to become something else, something that transcends humanity.. Why are we throwing away our lives on such a grand scale?

-f

[grainnerhuad]

Sh- In the above I spoke of spirit both in refrence to the whole and to the personal. I believe we are spiritual beings who are both individual as in our choices affect how we grow spiritually or languish spiritually as well as physically. This spirit I believe is a real part of us. We can chose to ingore this but it will darken our own being.

I also used it in the interconnected sense. It is my belief that we are all intertwined. What we think, feel , practice and behave like affects all. A connectivity in consciousness between every being. We can choose to nurture that or cut ourselves off from that.

It's hard sometimes to really put all of that into words. It takes a couple of back and forth questions I think so feel free to ask.

Also Mitch- I agree. Some people do need meds. I think ( I hope I stated that) It's the unfourtunate practice of overuse and misdiagnosis that is the problem. Too often parents and loved ones diagnose themselves and kids and those around them and get pissed when doctors don't agree to extent that doctors submit to their demands. Or doctors are misinformed and untrainded but give out these meds anyway. Pychotropics change the pathways of the mind. Always. Sometimes to the good and sometimes to the bad. It is something to be very careful of. My opinion is if a situation can be resonably managed without medication, it should be. Also medications change the cycle of things like depression so very often the result is not what you would expect. For example a very depressed person may get just enough drive from their course of anti-depressants to finally complete a suicide where before the person wasn't motivated to do that sort of thing. Then the suicide is blamed on anti depressants. That isn't the case it is the cycle of depression and lack of support/understanding that lands the newly energized depressed person in a car in the garage with a hose in the cab.

[karlsie]

Sh, that is much of what has been going on in my head. Reggie specifically used the word, "souls" to describe the area in our brains that governs the emotions, something i'm sure the general science academics would veer away from. The implication is that the soul is immortal, as a consciousness or as part of inherited memory, i.e., DNA memory structure.

From either angle, it can be disturbing to think that the soul has been suppressed in its development. Collectively, it ties with despondent links, links suffering from inertia, links falling away into an unconscious darkness. From the DNA perspective, what value does this have for the person inheriting the emotional personality of learned memories, if the emotions never developed into valuable lessons?

I'd keep going, but i've gotta go to work now.

[The Late Mitchell Warren]

SH,

We as a society do not have the capacity to teach people how to deal with the internal conflict. In my Death Penalty article I explained those because we fail as teachers in society, there is no true restitution for the victims of crime. It's a crime begets crime society, because no one has the time or patience to train children and adults who are in mental pain. We are a society deprived of elders, of teachers. All we really have is alphas, and that's one reason why we as a society are colossally fucked up.

[sh]

Mitch,

Where does this internal conflict come from?

In my view, it looks like the whole problem stems from the way the world has been described to us.

ie. trapped in a material existence til death-oblivion, no meaning to life, everything is just random nonsense, there's nothing worth struggling for except money, love is fake, friendship is a lie, etc.

Where is the magic? The fact that you and I are here right now is simply ineffable.

We take life for granted and we are bored to death.

We are stupid beyond belief!

I think the root of all our misery is our stupidity.

If we'd only open our eyes and look around us.. there is no cease to the wonders!

-f

[sh]

To quote Dave Mustaine:

"In our life there's if. In our beliefs there's lie. In our business there's sin. In our bodies there's die."

-f

[The Late Mitchell Warren]

Yes, SH, that aspect of life both fascinates me and scares me. There seems to be a great amount of phenomenon that cannot be explained. I tend to believe if it's all random nothingness, it's a waste of great potential.

Where it comes from is anyone's guess.

But back to my original point, I believe older generations were better at teaching the young, helping them to use reasoning ability and approach situations logically. Our fast-paced society really has no answers...besides quick fixes like drugs.

That said, my family history includes depression, bipolar, and all sorts of other mental problems, I imagine. I myself haven't inherited anything, though I'm still a rather young man at age 21.................(shut up Grainne)

But seriously, I've seen the worst of people who are not on meds, and I shudder to think what would become of them if they had no control over their emotions. But then again, maybe some of us are just vicious wild animals trapped in human bodies?

[sh]

That's strange, Mitch.. I thought you were ~40.

-f

[The Late Mitchell Warren]

Ah, just proverbially 21 in mind I guess. I'm actually going on 35. But if it helps, I haven't learned anything in 15 years.