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Post by karlsie on Apr 22, 2013 5:42:55 GMT -5
ADP, I think you've asked a question that can't really be answered as humans are as complex as their individual fingerprints. The biggest general answer, I believe, is that people spend too much of their time hating. They hate for the most amazing reasons. I'm not talking about suppression, abuse, seizure of one's assets and other acts of violence - these in themselves are hatreds and the natural reaction is to hate back. I'm referring to hatreds that occur through no overt acts; hating a color, a culture, a religious preference; hating because a person demonstrates the qualities you wanted but failed to acquire. I know wealthy people who hate poor homes that still manage to be happy in their poverty. There are people who still hate the descendants of what one group did to their ancestors, even when the descendants really had nothing to do with the sins and are trying their best to make up for the injustice. They harbor their hatreds and nurture them, justifying their hatred in any way they can.
Hatred is a poison, an infection. It warps our perception and kills our humanity. If we don't put it aside, it will consume us as a species. Maybe it really is too late. I don't know. All that I really know is there are people who try and those who take advantage of their efforts, turning their kindness into a mockery and see their gentleness as a weakness. Before we can get on the right track and start behaving better as a whole, we have to shed our hatred. How this is to be done, I have no idea as hatred is profitable. Maybe it just has to run its course, and once hatred has destroyed enough of us, we'll finally grow weary of it and let it go.
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Post by grainnerhuad on Apr 23, 2013 14:46:13 GMT -5
Getting rid of hatred is something that I think we have struggled with for far too long. To me it seems people who hate in this way, somewhere deep down are either irrepairably flawed or hurt. The hurt ones throw their own pain into hate. The flawed ones may just be flawed. How do you get rid of or abort a bunch of flawed individuals? I can't think of any good answers that don't feed the hate monster more.
It sure doesn't seem as if we'll get weary of it and walk away. Whether we actively engage in it or not, we are sure intrigued by it and that in itself keeps it alive. It may be a necessary thing, a teacher of sorts that we need to face, one and all.
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Post by karlsie on Apr 24, 2013 3:41:16 GMT -5
Maybe it's like that old adage concerning comparisons. You don't know you're happy until you're unhappy. You don't realize the beautiful until you've seen the ugly. You don't truly comprehend the value of love until you've seen hatred. I just wish it would balance out a bit more.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Apr 25, 2013 1:12:29 GMT -5
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/crossdressing-kurds-in-iran-to-support-womens-rights-8586857.htmlIs it just me or is this a very poorly written article? Interesting, nonetheless. I think it's a clear sign of the cultural "evolution" taking place in Iran. Kurds, as far as I know, have always been a very conservative people. Up until very recently, it was their custom to have their women circumcised, supposedly in order to prevent them from feeling sexual pleasure. If women's conditions are getting better in Kurdistan the liberal provinces must be pretty close to a reasonable atmosphere of gender equality for sure. Women are still literally treated as men's property in Saudi Arabia. It snowed in Chaharmahal & Bakhtiari last night. The ex-soviet-state of Azerbaijan (former Persian province) has become closely aligned with Israel, according to media reports. ( news.yahoo.com/israel-praises-azerbaijans-stand-iran-crisis-104002142.html) For a couple of years now, there have been reports of Azerbaijani separatist groups in Iran. The Iranian provinces of East and West Azerbaijan rank among the top places in Iran in terms of the general quality of life, and the Azeri people identify themselves as Iranians. This has been so historically and is no modern nationalist-propaganda phenomenon. (Two remarkable Azeri-Iranian heroes: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattar_Khan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C4%81qer_Kh%C4%81n) The oil-rich province of Khuzestan has been suffering at the hands of foreign separatist influences for years. Saddam wanted to annex it to Iraq. The Empire, on the other hand, has been trying to create a rift between the local Arab and non-arab Bakhtiari population, while at the same time trying to convince both sides that they deserve to have their own country (another tiny nation like kuwait, qatar, bahrain, UAE.) The province of Sistan & Baluchistan recently witnessed the execution of Abdul-Malek Rigi. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdolmalek_Rigi) Separatist activity is definitely no stranger to the Baluch and Sistani peoples. Iranian Kurdistan has been suffering the same separatist mania for years now. I believe I've heard rumors of such activity in the Turkmen region of the Golestan province bordering Turkmenistan in recent years as well. If Iran "loses" this ongoing war with the west, my bet is that the result will be a total split-up of the nation. It will be divided into ~30 countries whose peoples mostly speak different dialects of Indo-Iranian, unintelligible to the others, alongside modern Farsi. Parsi (the language of the Persians) will become limited to the provinces of Fars, Isfahan, etc. and within a few decades there will be no trace of what was once the Iranian people. Instead, there will be the Empire, selling weapons to 30 new countries. I'm giving serious thought to training myself for the Ironman Triathlon. But I don't just want to finish it, I want to set a new record! I'm thinking it's going to take at least a whole year of really hard work just to be in shape to compete...But I've got nothing better to do, so why not.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Apr 25, 2013 11:13:30 GMT -5
What's so bad about hate? You think there's something inherently wrong with strife? I hate people's stupidity, and I hate our society which is effectively based on this stupidity. I would go so far as to commit criminal acts of hatred against it. And I'm proud of my hate. I don't hate because I feel wronged by society in any way, or because I feel I _deserve_ better, or some other psychological BS. Personally, I don't have a problem with society at all, and people's stupidity is actually to my advantage. I hate stupidity, and our stupid society, because there is something inherently wrong with it, IMO. I don't think it's about moral rights and wrongs here, so much as it's about efficiency. To use machine analogy, if we were more energy-efficient, we would simply function better, and collectively we would "work," as a giant machine works when all the interlocking parts are in harmony. We are not in a state of balance and harmony, collectively as a species. Our "spirit" is off, distorted. I think deep down, we refuse to accept this proposition. And we refuse to take action, for the most part, because we are creatures of habit and we are physically subject to inertia. Once we get into the habit of living life a certain way, it requires a tremendous effort to dismantle and reshape the habit. For some reason, we don't like to admit that the way we are living is wrong. And if someone tells us so, we will surely hate them. So, and I say this with much love and affection, to all of humanity, my brothers and sisters, we are all seriously fucked up. It's totally fair if you hate me, because I don't give a fuck about you. I give it my best shot to live a healthy, sane, strong life, and you can do whatever, but I'll always tell you how shitty I think you are, you bunch of buffoons. No offense to you Grainne and Karla.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Apr 25, 2013 12:40:28 GMT -5
I think our standards are very low nowadays. And this modern culture of acceptance that's emerging is just a symptom of our condition. Let's accept people for who they are: dumb, lazy, fat, whatever. Really?
I think our standards are so low partly because we are unaware of our potential, and because we are mortally afraid of failure. This habit of ours, IMO, has conditioned us to seek ease and shy from challenge. Quite a vicious cycle, if you ask me.
It's really simple...IMO, Unless you are _really_ challenged on a daily basis, you are heading towards the "dumb, lazy, fat" culture of acceptance.
If I were to ever reach a position of power, I would probably be the most ruthless fascist dictator the world has ever seen. I'd put such pressure on the masses, it'd make Stalin look like a pansy. I'd declare nature unquestionably legitimate, and let it have its way with people. If you can't survive nature, you are worse than dead.
How many percent of the human population could survive in a natural setting, right now? And how much of the world's cow population?
Sadly, being in harmony with nature is about as important to people today as it is to cows living on a dairy farm. If this isn't a sign of the stupidity of mankind, it's definitely a sign of the low standards of cows.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Apr 25, 2013 13:09:34 GMT -5
I feel our lack of control over our sexual activity is another factor in our overall failure as intelligent sentient beings. I think it is quite possible to fix our condition if we "behave" or live according to certain patterns. No doubt, christianity, buddhism, islam, etc. all claim to provide the _correct_ pattern to live by, but they are all wrong and people's faith in the whole idea of living "right" has been shattered. Instead we suffer from the delusion that there are as many right paths as there are people, and that there is no truth, but only people's individual interpretations of truth. The truth is one, and it is the same for all. The path to salvation is also one, and it is the truth. If you aren't seeking this 'truth' on a day to day basis, you are seeking nonsense and thus you are on the wrong path. If you think you already know the truth, you're an idiot. The truth is that we know nothing. We're like a bunch of braindead retards.
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Post by grainnerhuad on Apr 25, 2013 17:44:33 GMT -5
No offense taken of course, I am on occasion a buffoon. So what? It lightens everything.
As for stupidity, and evolution. I can only point to the article you first referenced about crossdressing as a campaign. That is the industry standard for writing and the reason is people do not want to sit and read very much longer than 3 min. and they certainly don't have time to think.
Anyway crossdressing for rights is stupid. Just my opinion. Not that I care if people want to cross dress but it really doesn't do anything but piss people off, shouldn't the goal be to bring greater understanding.
As for "Hate". Like "Love" it can mean so many things, it's a word that doesn't really illustrate what each person means. Mostly, when I hate something it's because I'm hurt in some way-probably a way I don't want to talk about. Or I find a food repugnant and inedible so I hate that too I guess. So, see I just now used hate in two ways. We need more words. Or less words but more that people agree on.
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Post by karlsie on Apr 26, 2013 6:02:24 GMT -5
Hate and love are both such strong emotions, one can become confused for the other; or we can love and hate at the same time. I disapprove of hate cultivation because that is what's used to brainwash people. People are categorized, labeled, placed in groups, then fingers of ridicule are pointed at them. Personally, I don't feel I have time for it all. Nurturing hatred takes a lot of energy that I would rather be using for creativity. When repetitious, hate mongering rants begin to annoy me, I ignore them. If they leave me with strong distaste, I remove myself from them.
It's easy to find fault; far more difficult to constructively build good relationships and supportive networks of people who are doing something to uphold each other and bring out each other's best qualities. But... these constructive relationships have value to me. They give me joy. They make the efforts worthwhile. Each person who has brought a smile to my lips has won a place in my heart. I don't feel like having it any other way, no matter how silly it might seem to others.
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