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Post by Subversify Whore on Feb 23, 2012 18:43:52 GMT -5
Subversify is looking forward to the Academy Awards this year, specifically to see if the Iranian film A Separation wins Best Foreign Language film, and if the French film The Artist wins Best Picture. It will be golden proof that the United States Government and Hollywood Film Industry sucks.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Feb 26, 2012 9:16:25 GMT -5
Mitchell? What do you think of Leila Hatami's "hijab?" (actress from "a separation") www.imdb.com/name/nm0368689/Just so you know, she is basically obligated to wear the headscarf and not to wear clothes that are too revealing by an unwritten law in Iran. If she breaks this law, she won't be allowed to act anymore in Iran or worst case is she will be banned from ever returning to the country. This actually happened to another Iranian actress last month. "Golshifteh Farahani" is the 27 year old Iranian actress who posed nude for a French magazine and also published a nude picture of herself on her facebook page. The Iranian government labelled it a "cheap" and "lewd" act to get attention and fame. The Iranian government then banned the actress from ever coming back to Iran. The western media got hold of this and said things like "muslim iranians hate a woman's body" and "we support Golshifteh" and plenty of other nonsense worthy of the most ignorant retards. There's now even online movements and petitions for supporting Golshifteh and her right to bare her body. What do you guys think? I personally think using nudity to get attention the way kim kardashian, lindsay lohan and now ms. farahani have done is just cheap and pathetic. Obviously, many young men are going to be masturbating by looking at this pornographic/erotic "art." So, I want to know how Golshifteh really feels about guys jerking off to her nude pictures? Edit: just to be clear, there's no law against Iranian women going out without hijab outside of Iran; celebrities however are expected to adhere to the dress code whenever they appear in public outside of Iran too. And the way you see Leila Hatami dressed in "A separation" and in the imdb photos is very conservative compared to how many women go out in Iran.
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Post by karlsie on Feb 27, 2012 21:02:18 GMT -5
I'm not one to criticize anyone's religious convictions or customs so long as they respect my own, and the hijab for me, is something that is akin to the indigenous women of Mexico who can't imagine going without their rebozos. I know the rebozo is a practical asset. It wards off the wind. It shields from the sun. It's better than any baby carrier modern technology can come up with, but it is also deeply engrained in their religious convictions; and that is that a woman should keep her head covered.
That part aside, i see posing nude for photos in much the same way i see prostitution; although i do make a separation between pornography and art. Just as the sexual drive is natural, but the exploitation of it damaging to the psyche, i feel nudity is quite beautiful, but to use it solely for the means of inciting lust is degrading to personal character.
I see nothing wrong with nudity in and of itself. During my travels as a young woman, i spent some time in a nudist camp. It wasn't like people walked around nude all day long, but the beach and the lake had nude swimmers instead of people in swimming suits. They were also quite casual about the stages of undress they were in around their homes and in their yards. It all felt very natural. The sun was warm, the air sublime and i never saw one person sexually aroused at being surrounded by so much nudity; and of course it would have been obvious if he had. The women among us actually became suspicious of men who came down to the beach in their clothes because it made us wonder what he was hiding.
Now comes the part about modesty; which was quite a reversal to my nudist days. I hadn't spent much time in Mexico before i noticed the local people had some very conservative ideas about the way a young lady should dress. She should not wear low cleavage blouses. She should not show off her midriff or wear short shorts. Within a year, i had succumbed to their views of modesty, and you know, i liked it better.
A modest woman in Mexican society has the respect of all the social classes, regardless of her economic status. The men behave like gentlemen and do not think to approach her with lewd ideas. She is invited as a guest to dinners and parties, with both the host and hostess proud and happy to have her around.
I should add here, that Mexico is a permissive society, so you don't get the wrong impression. The Provencial Mexican woman is quite an independent voice. They feel they have the choice to marry or remain single with as many lovers as they wish, but if they marry, it's a deep commitment and they expect the man to ante up to the plate. They can be quite forceful about this. I've seen Mexican women beat their men half to death with frying pans and brooms, and kick them out the door for coming home at four in the morning, drunk as an alley cat. They also have a saying that could be Greek or Latin in its orign; and that is, "behind every successful man is a powerful woman".
What does this have to do with modesty? Only that, in Mexico, the winning ticket is to dress and behave modestly, instead of the other way around.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Feb 28, 2012 3:33:04 GMT -5
I'm going to write somewhat of an Oscar review a little bit later.
SH, I think it's a pretty obvious case of one woman making a shrewd business move to seek out a wider audience. So yes, it's quite possible she was aware of her limitations and decided to just be nude, knowing it would make her scandalous to Iran and an object of curiosity to other nations.
I do find it interesting that she was willing to say goodbye to Iran forever, in essence, choosing fame and pleasure over her family heritage and friends. But, i guess that's her choice.
Personally, I admire acting craft more than just nude bodies. I think the bigger challenge would have been to earn respect by not appearing naked and actually acting, especially when she's so young. Of course, a beautiful person's peak time for nudity is in his/her 20s. I guess it's a now or never decision.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Feb 28, 2012 8:18:14 GMT -5
LOL @ karlsie walking around nude in a nudist colony.
And Mitch, I look forward to your review.
So, have you guys watched A Separation?
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Feb 28, 2012 13:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Feb 28, 2012 17:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by karlsie on Feb 28, 2012 19:07:36 GMT -5
I think she looked very elegant appearing like that at the Oscars. There hasn't been that much lady like grace in America since Jackelyn Kennedy.
Oh, and when in Rome, i do as the Romans do. In nudist camps, i do what the nudists do.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Feb 28, 2012 22:07:07 GMT -5
That HBO series Rome is pretty much a nudist camp as is.
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Post by grainnerhuad on Feb 29, 2012 22:23:04 GMT -5
I fail to see how donning the Hijab is inhumane. To me it is a cultural statement; Yes I can be nude if I want and yes I am still culturally a muslim.
As for nudist areas such as camps, beaches and hotsprings, when the field is leveled and everyoone is nude, nobody cares. That has been my experience. Nobody is lusting after the women in the hot soaking baths, I see no hard-ons from the men or appraising glances from the women. This is because everyone is stripped of everything. I think clothing is the problem. The tease of "maybe" you may see something or the excellent framing of assets is much more sexually alluring and eye catching than a bunch of naked people.
But that's just been my experience.
I love the Hajib, I'm glad she went with it. It looks exquisite on her.
Also Mitch, if Rome by HBO is a nudist camp you will be scandalized by the Borgias and Sparticus.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 1, 2012 7:09:35 GMT -5
My experience has been pretty much just like yours. In finland women are usually topless at the beach, if not completely nude (they are desperate to catch a little sun) and I don't remember once thinking "whoa look at her!" but then there's tehran.. and it's really just a whole different story here. I know it sounds retarded to say this, but I think the sexiest women in the world are all pretty much gathered right here in this one muslim city! And it really is all about what you hide, as opposed to what you show I think. A good friend of mine moved to london a couple of years ago, and he was worried how he was going to react there what with having been raised in tehran.. as it turns out he says that he thinks the women over there are just plain and really non-sexual compared to tehran. he says he misses lusting over girls hidden under the iranian pseudo-hijab. all in all, i think it's really obvious that we're all insane.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 1, 2012 7:59:51 GMT -5
about spartacus.. I saw a few episodes of "gods of the arena" last year and I thought there was really a lot to think about.. great food for thought imo.
things really have changed a lot compared to the days of ancient rome.. at least over here.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 1, 2012 14:32:10 GMT -5
I would like seeing Rome, Spartacus and the others. I love porn with a plot! LOL
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 2, 2012 10:32:14 GMT -5
So I watched like 20 minutes of "a separation" last night, on the comedown of ayahuasca which I'd taken four hours earlier, which is to say I basically lived inside the movie for twenty minutes.
I thought the movie was very compelling; I didn't notice the passage of time at all I was totally focused on following the plot and the characters' every move. I thought the actors were all great. Leila Hatami's cold beauty had me just waiting for her to get in front of the camera the whole time, but the other guys did a good job of keeping me interested while I waited. (i think i might have a thing for ms. hatami)
I thought the movie was generally in the same class as all the other artistic Iranian films, as opposed to the commercial crap. I thought the west must be really starving for a good movie, otherwise this film would not have won an oscar. Or maybe the oscar was just a political statement. But I fail to see what the statement might have been.. "Iran makes good low budget movies?" i dunno..
All in all, I stopped watching the movie only cause I was distracted by strange shapes and patterns on the walls morphing and dancing; the entire house started to dissolve into oblivion so I got up and went out.. now I have to watch it again which I probably won't.
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