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Bleh
Dec 26, 2011 8:03:38 GMT -5
Post by sh on Dec 26, 2011 8:03:38 GMT -5
You know, I think our fatal flaw as people is that we are trapped in self-awareness. We are trapped in perceiving the world through an ape's eyes, and so we believe ourselves to be Men. (and Women)
I think what we actually are is the whole universe. We are everything that is. We are everything that we perceive to be "out there."
But somehow we have been pulled inward. Lost in our selves.
The concerns and needs of the self, which are quite petty indeed, have enslaved us.
I believe we were once gods. We were more than gods. We were flowing with the cosmos. A fractal pattern.
Now we are apes. Beasts, who believe themselves to be intelligent.
What a pathetic belief. So deluded by our sense of self-worth.
In love with our own self-image. Incapable of loving any other.
And yet starving for love.
Driven by sex, the highest pleasure.
Tricked by nature, we get pleasure from procreation, just to perpetuate our species.
There is so much more we can attain than this dull, meaningless existence we call our lives.
All we have to do is to want it, reach out and grab it.
-f
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Bleh
Dec 26, 2011 8:41:27 GMT -5
Post by sh on Dec 26, 2011 8:41:27 GMT -5
And what if this ape is going extinct soon?
Must we go down with the ship?
-f
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Bleh
Dec 26, 2011 22:14:02 GMT -5
Post by karlsie on Dec 26, 2011 22:14:02 GMT -5
You really are pulling me into a spiritual discussion, aren't you? I think most people, either secretly or openly, see us at an end-times. They don't actually fear it as much as they crave it. There are those who believe the end times are coming but they will be saved because they are one of the chosen people. There are those who physically prepare for an end times, and because they have invested materially, wait eagerly for the end times to come. There are also those who say, we're all going to die, but since we are, i'm going to do everything i can about enjoying the last days before it comes (eat, drink and be merry). There are even those who have decided that since they are going to die, due to their location or other factors, everyone must die with them.
We can't stop the rapid global change occurring by our wanton destruction of our environment, but we can prevent mass annihilation by laying down our weapons of mass destruction. My personal perspective is that nature alone will probably wipe out at least seventy percent of the population, largely because as a species, we have removed ourselves so much from our bonds with nature. The average person no longer knows how to cope in a natural environment without his technical devices close at hand. He doesn't know how to exist without mechanical transportation, energy sources he only has to push a button to tap into, gather sustenance from the land around him without going to a grocery store, read the meaning of a wind change or the cloud patterns, use natural remedies for ailments and disease.
At the end times, our technology will collapse, our energy sources will be only what we, individually have learned to create, our mechanics the factor of knowledgeable skills, and our coast lines will flood, wiping out the greater percent of urban cities.
For the material man, it will certainly be the end, but for the survivors, it will also be the beginning of a new consciousness. I'm not sure what this consciousness will involve, but my personal belief is there are spirits that guide the people who have acknowledged earth as not only their home, but as a living, intelligent being with its own rightful place in the Universe. I believe these spirits are not malevolent, but beneficial, telling us when we have wandered off the path or there is danger nearby. We only have to respect them and listen to them. We are all connected because we are all part of Earth, and Earth herself is a child among the stars and constellations.
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Bleh
Dec 27, 2011 3:57:54 GMT -5
Post by sh on Dec 27, 2011 3:57:54 GMT -5
Heh. I hear ya. Most people are yearning for the end to come and save them from their miserable existence. We are such strange fools. -f
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Bleh
Dec 27, 2011 21:11:59 GMT -5
Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Dec 27, 2011 21:11:59 GMT -5
I enjoy reading your commentary, SH. I hope that someday you grace us with a commentary for the magazine.
Anyway...I agree with you to an extent. I do think we are rather self-involved, and even the most coldly intellectual among us seem oblivious to the fact that ours is a very limited perspective. I have read and written quite a bit on Tantra and other Eastern philosophies that suggest we are all part of one universe, one godlike force, and one with god, etc.
I would personally hope that is not the case as I am germophobic and prefer not to be in the same godhead as all these other lifeforms.
But that may just be my Christian instincts that refuse to die. I guess, I still would like to believe that there is something greater than us all. Something that cannot be rationalized or explained by science, which I find to be very puny and not that convincing.
But in these matters, I am more of a listener than a professor. All I've really learned, playing the role of saint and sinner, is that nobody really knows anything. And the dumbest ones among us are the ones who shove dogma down the throats of others.
But very interesting dialog.
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Bleh
Dec 28, 2011 0:30:46 GMT -5
Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 0:30:46 GMT -5
Mitch,
I don't know if you're referring to me, but I certainly didn't mean to shove anything down anyone's throat.
And to be honest, I'm totally unconcerned with dogma. Whatever I've said is my personal experience.
And I completely agree that no one knows anything. But, I think, to describe the world in a way that will allow for me to gain knowledge and power is not the same as thinking I know anything for certain.
-f
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Bleh
Dec 28, 2011 0:49:07 GMT -5
Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Dec 28, 2011 0:49:07 GMT -5
Hahah, no, you seem very open-minded. I'm just referring to the rest of society, which seems so sure one way or the other. That there is or isn't a god or god-like thing(s) out there. I wish I could be a little more dogmatic. I think it's probably a happier existence to believe something 100%. But alas, the more you learn, the more you realize there is just so much to learn in one life time.
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