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Post by grainnerhuad on Mar 12, 2012 15:37:01 GMT -5
@adp- I agree that sexuality is for the most part, misused. I also agree it should be for the interchange of life force. To me, that doesn't necessarily mean procreation of the sort that produces a child. Yet, you are pro-creating a conjoined life-force. Does that make sense?
The problem I see is nobody teaches this. Most people who come to this place do it by gaining feral wisdom, they intuit it and go looking. I shouldn't say, "nobody teaches it." Some do, it's hard to come by and harder still to find teachers who don't take advantage whether knowingly or not.
Balance, I think does help us be healthier, and sex drive is a part of that.
While I do think it useful to abstain from time to time, also I think it's okay to chose to give freely of the healing power of our sexuality. Mostly if one is in control of his or her energy. I think this may be where the myths of creatures like incubus' and sucubus' come from, uncontrolled taking. But there are those that can give to. The "Sacred Whores" if you will who have disappeared.
At the same time I am also for monogomy when you have found yourself well matched and balanced.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 12, 2012 22:21:04 GMT -5
SH, that's a good point...but honestly, here in the US the state of Nevada has legalized prostitution for quite some time and most of the female population is not doing it. Statistically speaking, we have every reason to conclude that the 5% (or whatever) that works as prostitutes in Nevada, would mean 5% of the entire US would become prostitutes if it were legailized. But It would not became 90% of the U.S. practicing.
I think other countries would similarly increase but only at the same rate if it were universally legalized. Why would we conclude that just because people could have sex for money most would? All countries have a strong moral code in addition to a legal system--what society sees as "appropriate" and what will make you an outcast from everyone else.
I'd venture to say that in US States where marijuana has been de-criminalized, most of the population is not doing it. In states where medical pot is legal, not everyone is begging their doctor for pot.
And also, while sex and drugs can be compared to one another, and often are grouped together as "vice", I think they are different things altogether. I think drugs are a high that one does to himself. Consensual sex is an act involving two people.
It's basically like comparing cat nip to kitty mills, if you understand the analogy. Prostitution is all about relationships not individual "highs". (And prostitution is also rarely about sensual pleasure...it's more about "therapy" for the payer)
People are already having sex without money. In America, Women will have sex for you for just showing them a fun time. Men will have sex with you...well...just for existing. I just think if we continue to demonize prostitution, we might as well demonize sexually promiscuous behavior, because it's all based on a perceived "morality".
To be honest, I never got the issue of "purity" before marriage. If a girl waits till she's 18 and married to give a blowjob and get fucked in the ass (excuse my potty mouth) does that still mean she's "innocent" because she waited?
By the same token, I agree that exchanging sex for money is simply a sad state of affairs. But then again, doing anything for money is kind of sad. Cleaning someone's house is sad. Scooping up zoo animal shit is sad. Selling your art or writing for a few bucks an hour is sad.
Money is a very warped, perverted form of bartering. And until money itself is abolished, it's all going to be a very sad existence.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 12, 2012 22:21:51 GMT -5
Grainne sacred whores are still around. I have worked with them before...er...in a marketing capacity of course.
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Post by grainnerhuad on Mar 12, 2012 22:46:03 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 13, 2012 8:05:12 GMT -5
While I do think it useful to abstain from time to time, also I think it's okay to chose to give freely of the healing power of our sexuality. Mostly if one is in control of his or her energy. I think this may be where the myths of creatures like incubus' and sucubus' come from, uncontrolled taking. But there are those that can give to. The "Sacred Whores" if you will who have disappeared. Well, I'm personally not familiar with any "healing power of our sexuality" All I know is the healing power of celibacy.. And Grainne, I'm not sure the succubus is just a myth.. It's called "kabus" in Farsi which also means nightmare. As a child I used to experience sleep paralysis a lot. At that time I didn't know that it was the gateway to dreaming. I was always quite terrified when it happened.. I thought I was cursed, really. Only years later did I learn what it meant and how I could use it, but this is irrelevant. The point is, as a child I used to see these things, "creatures" if you will, in my bedroom practically every night. As a rule, I would always see them right after I'd enter into hypnagogia; I would find myself paralyzed, totally unable to move and yet completely aware just as if I were awake. These things would always come close to me and examine me, and touch me. And hard as I tried I couldn't even scream. You have to understand they looked hideous just beyond description, and they seemed to realize that I could see them. After I learned to see and to lucid dream I realized that these things appear in my dreams as beautiful women and try to seduce me. I know it's them because I can see them touching and caressing my head while I'm asleep. It's really a very sinister affair..
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 13, 2012 12:36:34 GMT -5
To be honest, I never got the issue of "purity" before marriage. If a girl waits till she's 18 and married to give a blowjob and get fucked in the ass (excuse my potty mouth) does that still mean she's "innocent" because she waited? There's actually a funny story here. For about a decade or so it was extremely common in Tehran for girls to get a "hymen repair operation" before they got married, or if they met "the one" and wanted to sleep with him. I'm not making this up. My aunt and her husband, who I stay with in the city, are both medical doctors. My aunt's husband is a surgeon, and he has stories about all kinds of women who would come to him to get a virginity operation. I believe what they basically do is sew the walls of the uterus together to create an artificial hymen, which results in a little bleeding when the woman has sex afterwards. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HymenorrhaphyAccording to my hosts, who are both very successful medical practicioners, the prevalence of hymenorrhaphy was at its peak a few years ago when practically every girl was having it done; some multiple times. But today it is getting rare because the guys all know what's going on. This is some seriously absurd shit IMO. And there's just no way I can overstate how common it used to be here!
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 13, 2012 19:39:40 GMT -5
I wish I had a succubus messing with me growing up. Nothing! Though I did feel plenty guilty about masturbating. I guess I was scared of demons for the longest time. But I figured that if I masturbated I was doing the will of Satan and so the demons would leave me alone. It worked.
Yes, ADP, I have actually heard of hymen repair. That is really bizarre. And yet I think it's because of our civilization's moral prudence. We want sex, and yet feel guilty about our own behavior. The guilt drives us to do insane things like hymen repair or forced marriages...
Simply accepting that sex exists, I suppose would be far too controversial for all of these moral societies.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 14, 2012 6:03:43 GMT -5
wtf? Mitch you've never had wet dreams?? what's wrong with you? I think people accept that sex exists. But most men still have an instinctual desire to marry a virgin. It could be the women's fault for humoring them.
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 14, 2012 6:21:49 GMT -5
About cannabis and how it's been decriminalized.. I don't expect people will all start smoking pot overnight. I think if cannabis is truly legalized, like alcohol, certain bars or coffeeshops will pop up all over the place that offer weed to customers.
Once you have a place on your block that sells marijuana, and where you can sit down and smoke legally, after a few generations, I'm sure the prevalence of cannabis use will increase. After sufficient time I'm sure it will equal alcohol use.
And about prostitution in Nevada.. I don't know but I suppose there is a time factor here too, among other things.
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Post by The Late Mitchell Warren on Mar 14, 2012 16:47:49 GMT -5
I suppose at worst, we would become like Amsterdam and have a Red Lite District with hookers everywhere. But again, we have a lot of people making amateur porn on the Internet already. What's the difference?
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Post by asiaticdarkperson on Mar 14, 2012 17:16:31 GMT -5
I don't know what the official stats are, but I think practically every guy on the planet starts experiencing nocturnal emissions at puberty that continues all the way into their forties. I think some men experience it weekly, others monthly.
Modern psychology believes that this is sexual frustration from our daily lives, that manifests as erotic dreams. And according to the book, it's quite normal and nothing to be afraid (or ashamed) of.
I think this phenomenon, whether its cause is determined to be psychological or an outside force (or both) -- it is what the ancients called the succubus. And it is an energetic drainage.
I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, but it is something that needs to be addressed IMO.
Some of the most beautiful women I've seen in my life were in these kinds of dreams. And I think it's very sinister..
I stopped experiencing wet dreams altogether 5 years ago pretty much right after I stopped having sex (and masturbating.) And I think I may have figured out how the whole thing works.
So, first a little grossness disclaimer: read at your own peril.
When I was younger and sexually active I was always very careful not to get anyone pregnant. It was drilled into me almost compulsively by all the adults around me. I can truthfully say that while I liked sex a lot and engaged in it quite frequently, one of my greatest fears was that I'd get a girl pregnant and thus fuck my life up forever.
During this period, pretty much every erotic dream I ever had shared the same pattern; ie. I'd be dreaming of something completely unrelated when I'd suddenly meet a woman. The women were usually just about the most beautiful beings imaginable. A few of them are still burned into my memory. So, these women would literally seduce me in the strangest ways and I'd start fucking them never realizing that it was just a dream. And the point is, every single time right when I was about to ejaculate I'd pull my penis out because I would very rationally remind myself that I didn't want to get this girl pregnant. I'd wake up at the exact moment and realize my underwear was a mess.
Whenever this happened, I'd be in a horrible mood the next day. I used to feel tired and drained the morning after without fail. I really didn't want this to happen because I was getting all the sex that I needed, and I really didn't appreciate getting up in the middle of the night to change underwear (or the sheets sometimes.)
But there was no way to make it stop. For years it was almost a regular routine occurrence; one or twice a week every week. And every time it was the same scenario: I'd meet a woman and the rest of the dream would blur leaving only the girl in focus, who would then proceed to give me a hardon by any means you can think of. A lot of times these women would resort to dirty talk or even playing with themselves in front of me to provoke me and in the end it always worked. They always succeeded in seducing me until I'd fuck them, and I'd never realize it was a dream, and not once did I refuse.. It was like I didn't have a choice; all I could do was wake up to find myself ejaculating right then and there while I'd been having sex an instant before.
This never happens to me anymore, and I believe one of the factors involved is that I no longer think of myself as a don juan and I no longer go around picking up women. Sex just isn't one of the things I do anymore and not because I don't have the opportunity but because I'm genuinely not interested.
And I believe this lack of interest has lapsed into my dreaming. I'm pretty sure no woman could ever seduce me in real life at this point, and I think the result of this is no more erotic dreams.
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