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Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 8:05:22 GMT -5
I really hope I don't come off as some dickhead, bragging about his imaginary friends and superpowers.. But I guess that's exactly what I'm doing.
I am dickhead.
-f
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Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 13:29:07 GMT -5
Some more words. In modern Farsi the word for eyebrow is abro, pronounced ah-brew. The word for "is" is ast. French est. German ist. Spanish es. Jungle is jangal. Daughter is dokhtar. Mother is madar. Bad is bad. Old Persian bra-atar is baradar in modern Farsi; brother in English. OP pi-tar is pedar in Farsi; father in English. OP marta is mordeh in Farsi; muerto in Spanish; means dead. And last but not least, in Farsi, to, pronounced toe, means you. German du. French tu. With the strange exception of the word eyebrow(wtf?), these are all probably very ancient words. Perhaps among the first things that we named, as a species. What I want to know is how much contact could the Achaemenids and the British have possibly had? Did the English language even exist 2500 years ago?! But seriously, if you guys see any way to explain this situation, other than the Ariyan theory, I'm all ears! My reasoning, as I stated before, is that if the British and the Persians are biologically descended from the same people, then 10,000 years isn't nearly enough time for them to have evolved different eye/hair/skin colour. And the apparent racial differences are, IMO, much more pronounced than just colour. What is evident, however, is that our biological ancestors, while being of different race, all spoke the same language at some point. -f
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Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 15:47:52 GMT -5
And I just realized that "you" used to be "thou" in English. So..
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Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 16:26:48 GMT -5
I think if we consider this pattern, it's very likely that in antiquity, all people spoke a single language.
If everyone spoke the same language, it's very likely that they shared the same culture. The same customs, the same religion, the same pure understanding of existence.
I think if we take this to be an interpretation of the Babel myth, together with the Adam and Eve myth, we are presented with proof of our "fall from grace."
-f
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Post by karlsie on Dec 28, 2011 16:40:22 GMT -5
Sh, can i order up Ayahuasca on E-Bay? If not, i don't know how i'm going to get my hands on it. Not to mention i don't plan to leave my northern home again unless someone gives me a plane ticket to Iceland so i can enjoy their geothermal heat and soak in the hot springs. I know, i know, we have a similar geography, but our legislators are too selfish and glassy-eyed over oil profits to start developing the good stuff, and our hot springs are three hundred miles away from my Cook Inlet home.
Pot is a different sort of fellow than psychedelics, Mitch. It's probably one of the softest drugs we have and its effects are generally pretty subtle, especially the first few times you try it. It has a tendency to relax your brain so the thoughts you have in the background that you can't quite make out suddenly articulate themselves with clarity. This is why it's considered such a social drug. You become more lucid.
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Post by sh on Dec 28, 2011 16:55:41 GMT -5
Karla,
I say this from experience. If Ayahuasca wants to, it will find you.
It has a tendency of dropping in your lap, right out of the sky.
I'd say all you have to do is want it, and it'll probably come knocking on your door.
-f
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Post by karlsie on Dec 28, 2011 17:19:27 GMT -5
Sh, apart from some digressions into animal behavior and the nature of Universal oneness, i think you pretty much have your article on common language right here on this page. Not that i didn't find the digressions lively and interesting... it's just that they would make good separate topics.
It's true that whenever a subject comes up, i freely state my opinion from my common knowledge base, but i rarely have the pleasure of partaking in long, philosophical debate except with my quite verbally articulate but keyboard-phobic friends. You give me the liberality to exercise my mind well and your expertise in anthropology is astounding.
I'll go back to the subject of animal comprehension after i've mulled it over a little while. I'm more than just an animal lover; i'm an animal glutton. I've surrounded myself with animals most of my life. I've observed them in all their various shapes, sizes and forms. While there are specific behaviors attached to each species, each animal within that species has a distinct personality and characteristics. Animals do not have an across the board intelligence for each species. Within a pen full of chickens, you will find some more intelligent than others.
It's true, we don't know what animals think, but my suspicion is that it is a lot like children - direct, full of wonder and curiosity, responsive to non-aggression, happy in play, sad when they lose a loved one. Do children understand death? I'll wait for the discussion before stating my opinion.
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Post by sh on Dec 29, 2011 1:30:24 GMT -5
I think animals are somehow exactly like children, Karla. Children who still haven't learned to talk.
I believe children learn how to become self-aware, through interacting with other people. I see that this process of becoming a self usually takes many years.
I think most people give the finishing touches to their self-image, in their teens.
When I was around 4-5 years old, I once had a very terrifying, yet profound nightmare. In this dream, I fell from some undefined place into what felt like a bottomless pit. I remember there were strange inscriptions and symbols all over the walls around me. I just kept falling and falling, and screaming at the top of my lungs. And I felt the whole fall as a sensation in my body.
I woke up terrified, as you could understand.
I believe that was when I awoke into this "reality," for the very first time.
I believe this was around the same time that I was becoming aware that I was a "person." I was just learning how to use routines to fixate my attention on this person. I was beginning to perceive the world from the vantage point of a man.
How do we account for the fact that we don't remember much (or anything at all) of the first years of our lives? I believe this is because as selves, we just didn't exist at that time.
I imagine our perception would have consisted solely of "teotl" at this stage. Gazing with awe at how everything flows and merges and changes, yet stays the same. Mesmerized by sharp, intense colours and geometric patterns morphing and dancing all around us.
Today, I think I know the meaning behind my childhood nightmare, because I believe, on some level I may be slowly climbing out of the "bottomless pit." ..I can almost make out a vague light, in the distance.
But, they tell me that these are just my own, personal delusions. They claim with authority, and certainty, that I am insane. That there is nothing "beyond" this world.
"Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train comin your way.." -- Metallica
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Post by sh on Dec 29, 2011 2:21:25 GMT -5
And Karla, If you don't mind, please tell me exactly which parts of this thread you like, for an article.
Do you want the hypothesis about the Ariyans included? How many of the word translations would you like to see presented? All of them?
Do I need to find sources backing up the translations? I assure you though, the translations are impeccable.
Should I add the Arabic spelling of the Farsi words? So anyone who wants to could look the words up themselves?
I feel like I may have to rewrite the whole thing from scratch..
-f
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Post by sh on Dec 29, 2011 2:33:55 GMT -5
And I do understand your feeling that the article should be free of any mumbo jumbo or excessive speculation, so as to make it appear more scientifically credible, and less of a crank theory. -f
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Post by dylan on Dec 29, 2011 6:29:00 GMT -5
This is what I'm thinking. My Christmas was both sad and happy. The pack leader didn't make a tree this year because one was made in the puppy den, but Santa Dog came anyway, leaving me a fresh, new bag of Bacon Treats. The pack leader went off to spend Christmas with the puppies, but forgot to put the treats away. A miracle! I ate them all before she returned, but she wasn't even mad about it. She even gave me a little piece of chocolate that night. Oh! Chocolate is so good, but she says it isn't good for dogs. Why is it good for pack leaders and their puppies but not for dogs? I'll tell you what. There's a whole lot of species discrimination around here.
Let me tell you about dead things. Some of them smell pretty good, which makes me want to roll in them. But this is what happens if you roll in them. The pack leader gives you a bath. Baths are a terrible waste of water and you have to rub around in the dirt afterward to get that weird flower smell out, so if you don't want that to happen to you, it's better not to roll in dead things.
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Post by dylan on Dec 29, 2011 6:31:46 GMT -5
Also, about languages. I speak Spaniel, Shepard, Retriever, Rottweiler, Husky, but I never, ever speak Pomeranian. Those little guys are disgusting.
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Post by karlsie on Dec 30, 2011 1:55:42 GMT -5
Sh, sorry to take awhile getting back to you. I spend most of my time on Thursday preparing the site for the next rollover. Here's what i perceive: Nearly all the information of the first page is relevant to your article except the last two comments (I hate to rant like this.. and, "i'm terribly rude) On the second page you digress. It's an interesting digression and one worthy of its own subject treatment, but it's not truly pertinent to the introductory theory that all languages stem from one basic language.
On the subject of languages, you use a knowledgeable voice. If it is already an area of your expertise, i see very little reason to state your sources unless you want to throw in some direct quotes. I'm intrigued with this language article for two reasons: One, there are few people who can write on the subject of language similarities with ease (or anthropological history) without falling back on sources; which makes you an expert, not a student. Two, it's a very interesting theory that will probably cause debate, which is good for an energized magazine.
I see in your discussions two other extremely good subject matters; the history, uses and criminalization of psychoactive drugs and the question of animal/ human sentience. You might wish to think about their composition for future articles.
Please do not mind the ones who accuse you of having imaginary friends. The views of one or two people do not reflect the views of the magazine as a whole. In fact, most of the people on the staff and among our contributors have some type of spiritual viewpoint, if not a stated religion. We do not censor views, whether it's atheism or fundamental Christianity, but sometimes it does mean you have to have a pretty thick skin, especially when someone chimes in with disagreement.
Oh, and i hope you don't mind Dylan. He's our resident dog and he pops in now and then with his own thoughts.
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Post by karlsie on Dec 30, 2011 1:56:53 GMT -5
Oh, and you should probably include the information you shared on this page concerning languages, as well
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Post by sh on Dec 30, 2011 2:49:52 GMT -5
One, there are few people who can write on the subject of language similarities with ease (or anthropological history) without falling back on sources; which makes you an expert, not a student. Karla, while I am totally flattered by such a compliment, especially coming from you, I am definitely no expert. I am always the student, even though I might sound quite arrogant sometimes. I am deep down just a fool. And to be honest with you, I am not here seeking compliments or praise. I seek criticism, as severe as possible, by critical thinkers such as yourself. And thanks again for your warm, supportive attitude. -f
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